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The use of fuzzy facts and card-stacking has pushed the discussion of P/E ratios into the realm of propaganda, rather than rational analysis.


















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Fear, greed and other reasons to ignore P/Es
Steering clear or selling out because the market is 'overvalued' and due for a fall, based on high price-to-earnings ratios? Don't buy that bunk. P/Es say little or nothing about stock performance.
By Victor Niederhoffer and Laurel Kenner

The price-to-earnings ratio of the S&P 500 ($INX) now stands at 29, according to Standard & Poor’s; or 40, according to Barron’s; or 62, according to Bloomberg. That compares with a 16.1 average over the past 50 years, or some other number of your choice. Based on this uncertain and shifting statistic, professional “bearocrats” are out in force these days telling investors that the market is still “too high” and thus ripe for another fall, despite 10% declines in each of the past two years.
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What a glittering generality. We have concluded instead from our own studies that there is very little evidence that broad-market P/Es and subsequent stock-market performance are related at all. Moreover, we were unable to confirm research reported in the most oft-cited recent work on P/Es: that of Yale University professor Robert Shiller, author of the 2000 book “Irrational Exuberance.” The most we were able to come up with was a very slight association of high P/Es and inferior returns over very long periods -- seven years or longer.

The use of fuzzy facts and card-stacking has pushed the discussion of P/E ratios into the realm of propaganda, rather than rational analysis. The propagandists of the market specialize in fear and greed just as advertising pros and political propagandists specialize in envy and regret, and they have made efficient use of Shiller’s work.

Irrational ratios
Let’s back up for a moment and remember that it was Shiller who displayed a diagram of his findings on the relation between P/Es and subsequent 10-year stock market returns to Alan Greenspan two days before the Federal Reserve chairman delivered the famous “irrational exuberance” speech on Dec. 5, 1996. It is widely believed that Shiller sparked this speech and subsequent boosts in the Federal funds rate in 1999-2000 from 4.75% to 6.5%. Furthermore, he predicted “substantial negative” performance for the entire first decade of the new century.

We hasten to add that our aim is not to disparage the good intentions of the news reporters who pass along the latest fear-and-greed updates. They are fulfilling their function in the great ecological system of the market, ensuring that investors make the maximum contribution to the upkeep of brokerages’ skyscrapers and profit-sharing plans.

However, our simulation studies of the relation between P/Es and returns from 1950 to the present show that the results are consistent with nothing but randomness. Note, for example, that at the beginning of 1970, the S&P 500 P/E was 16 and the subsequent five-year return was -6% per year. At the beginning of 1994, the P/E was 21.3 and the subsequent five-year return was 21% annualized. For periods of seven years or longer, high P/Es are slightly associated with future inferior returns.

The problem with using returns for periods as long as seven to 10 years is that each observation shares many years of return. Thus, there are not enough independent observations and too many degrees of freedom in choosing a beginning period and ending period for the results to be differentiated from chance.

These findings are in the same vein as those we reported in a recent article -- “Why earnings optimism is bad news” -- on the unexpected inverse relation between S&P earnings changes and returns. (We are pleased to provide our yearly scatter plots, regressions and original data taken from the Standard & Poor’s Securities Price Record to all readers who write in to gbuch@bloomberg.net.)

As to why there are such discrepancies as noted above in P/E data, reasons are plentiful and not susceptible to easy correction. Many companies on a calendar year don’t report results until mid-April. One sometimes does not know whether a particular P/E number reflects the last 12 months of reported earnings or calendar-year earnings. It’s uncertain whether companies that lost money are included in the results. And a related problem is that the series may be revised subsequently, so that data originally reported are quite different from what eventually appears in summaries, price records and data sources many years thereafter.

Illusions of validity
We are not alone in our conclusions about the lack of a strong relation between P/Es and market returns. Kenneth L. Fisher and Meir Statman, in a detailed and definitive study covering the years 1872 through 1999, concluded that P/Es provide unreliable forecasts of future returns. “There is no statistically significant relation between P/E ratios at the beginning of the year and returns during the following year, or during the following two years,” they wrote.

How can we explain such a divergence between the facts and the propaganda?

Fisher and Statman believe that the answer is the illusion of validity. People are prone to believe in the accuracy of their judgments much more than is warranted. Fisher and Statman enumerate five psychological biases that have been studied extensively in work by David Kahneman and Amos Tversky as the irrational components of decision-making that lead to these mistakes. They are the biases of overconfidence, confirmation, representativeness, anchoring and hindsight; detailed explanations can be found in most books on cognitive psychology.

In an e-mail to us, Fisher alluded to the “weird assumptions” that underlie the Shiller conclusions. “The Shiller stuff is largely a data mine,” he wrote. “It makes no real difference how you redefine high and low P/E, regardless. P/E has no significant predictive power for markets so far into the future that it is enough to drive most folks crazy, i.e., longer than five years.”

Fisher’s conclusion as to why people, including Shiller, believe in the P/E fantasy is that our ancestors found great survival value in being afraid of heights, and they passed along their genes to us. “Anything in a heights framework generates fear,” Fisher wrote. Even high P/Es.

In an interview from his Yale office on Tuesday, Shiller told us that he is not sure that the current high P/E levels are actually bearish at all. “The recession has artificially depressed earnings to an inordinate extent, thereby making P/Es appear much higher than a reasonable base,” he said. He also noted that his measures of consumer confidence, which move slowly, are at bullish levels for now. However, in the long run he said he is as confident as ever that the market is in for a period of abnormally low returns -- and he expressed confidence that "econometric studies will verify the significance of the negative P/E relationships” that he and his colleagues have found.

How P/E propaganda works
We have a different explanation for investors’ errant concerns over P/Es: Individuals are induced by market propaganda to take actions that benefit the messenger more than the listener. To help you see them, we will lean on insights into the seven standard techniques of propaganda as relayed in “The Fine Art of Propaganda,” a 1939 classic of the topic. The techniques were given catchy names so as to be simple enough to teach in public schools: name-calling, glittering generality, transfer, testimonial, plain folks, card stacking and bandwagon.

Our take on each, as they relate to the market:
  • Name-calling: “Only a blindfolded bull would buy stocks at these levels.”
  • Glittering generality: “There’s no value in the market with these stratospheric P/Es.”
  • Transfer (invokes a name or symbol): “Until P/Es fall to Graham & Dodd levels, we’re forecasting a Dow of 100.”
  • Testimonial: “The oldest and canniest investor I know is waiting for P/Es to fall by another 50% before he considers buying.”
  • Plain folks: “I don’t know much, but the last time dividend yields were this low was year-end 1928.”
  • Card stacking: “P/Es were above 20 at the beginning of 1929 and stocks fell 40% in the next two years.” (Forget that P/Es were the exact same level at the beginning of 1950, when prices rose 40% over the next two years.)
  • Bandwagon: “None of the hedge fund managers at the conference in Bar Harbor will touch these high P/Es with a 10-foot pole.”
Examples of propaganda are so widespread on Wall Street that we have found numerous areas where investors must be vigilant. Chief executives that guide research analysts’ earnings estimates down so that their firms can beat them later is a nice instance of card stacking. The use of sex appeal – as in focus on a company’s “hot” technology rather than earnings power -- can transfer excitement from miscreant firms to the dull analyst at the end of a phone.
    Kindly communicate your own examples and thoughts on this subject to us by writing gbuch@bloomberg.net, so that we can provide a comprehensive report on this in a future column. We will send our traditional cane, to memorialize those carried by the old-time speculators down to Wall Street during panics to buy stocks at good prices, to the best few.

    While propaganda is ubiquitous in the market and other aspects of our lives, there is one very simple antidote that will steer you away from manipulation: science. If theories about the market are framed in a testable fashion, then they can be verified by counting. This will not only preclude debates about the meaning of words such as “irrational” and “exuberant,” but will relate market theories to the real world. An unintended consequence will be that those theories that are verified can actually lead to practical profits.

    End Note
    We are sorry to report a snafu in our promised effort to provide first-hand information on General Electric (GE, news, msgs). In the last communication that we received from the company, not only did they refuse to grant us an interview in person, they asked that we refrain from contacting the GE offices ever again. Since that time, several interesting developments have placed the refusal in perspective.

    First, there was the brouhaha over Jack Welch’s in-person interviews with Suzy Wetlaufer, editor of the Harvard Business Review. And Welch himself has taken actions that lead many to believe that he is ready at a moment’s notice to assume the reins at GE again if Jeffrey Immelt’s work as chief executive is greeted with further unfavorable market and analyst sentiment. General Electric shares are down 6% this year, a regrettable performance versus the Dow Jones industrials’ 3% advance. In 2001, General Electric failed to beat the Dow’s performance for the first time in five years, falling 15% versus the index’s 7% decline.

    Our studies of GE yearly returns, including dividends, from 1899 to the present, show that an investor could have realized a 7,500,000% return by investing in the company at the turn of the century and holding through 2001 (reinvesting all dividends, of course). If any readers have pull with a high-level GE executive who can evade the "Don’t Talk to Niederhoffer" interdiction and discuss this apparently touchy topic, we would appreciate an introduction.

    At the time of publication, neither Victor Niederhoffer nor Laurel Kenner owned any equities mentioned in this article.




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