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Here's a good video about a town in Georgia that has outsourced all city functions except fire and police. The city is run more efficiently, they've avoided the pension traps, and are able to capitalize on the efficiency of the private sector by utilizing the tax money more efficiently. The mayor states that they are able to get things done through the private sector for 25 million dollars what it would have cost the government 50 million dollars. This city is a anarcho-capitalist's dream and offers some proof that anarcho-capitalism is not a crazy, unworkable philosophy.


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  1. NR on April 14, 2011 7:03 pm

    Unfortunately anarcho-capitalism calls for the outsourcing of ‘defense’ functions (police and courts).

  2. steve on April 14, 2011 10:00 pm

    this video proves that private industry always does it better than public sector.

    I always say that if you have value in the public sector i.e. in the form of employment, you will be assured of having value in other words securing employment in the private sector.

    Notice the bitter attacks instigated in Wisconsin and Ohio upon Republican elected Governors by agitators and union led protestors against legislation to outlaw collective bargaining in those states. One must ask the question why is there such rancorous tactics being used by unions, from misleading propaganda to outright illegal and criminal occupation of public buildings such as the Wisconsin Capitol building.

    The facts are if an employee does a bad job in the private sector, said employee can be fired, in the public sector, such employee is often never at risk of termination.

    But of course, unions are just not prepared to “Go gentle into that good night” without a bloody, brutal and completely shameless fight.

    I like Charleton Heston who said it best if not just metaphorically, “You can have my gun, after you pry it from my cold dead clammy hands.”

  3. Anonymous on April 14, 2011 11:51 pm

    Hopefully we will find a community that lives by the ideal of anarcho-capitalism that outsources police and courts. That will be ideal. For now, we need to look at the old question that to this situation, How do you eat an elephant? You start with one bite.

  4. Matt on April 15, 2011 10:33 am

    This video is worthless piece of crap.

    This city is five years old, if this is still working in 30 years, that will be something.

    First, the city is not yet saddled with prior decisions that in retrospect were poor. As an example, they installed state-of-the-art traffic system that purportedly saves $12mm over two years, but what happens when that system is antiquated?

    Second, what happens when CH2MHill starts to feel pressure to increase profits?

    Third, when defined contributions and 401k’s are invested in funds with exposure to the next version of .com/CDO/fill-in-the-blank, are they going to let aged cops and firefighters retire destitute, which even if they are, will have other indirect costs.

    Fourth, this says nothing about the demographics of the city, which DO matter.

  5. Sam on April 15, 2011 11:38 am

    “Second, what happens when CH2MHill starts to feel pressure to increase profits?”

    They’ll be undercut by competitors, unlike public employee unions, which are immunized against competition. In the private sector, it’s impossible to “increase profits” at will. You have to better serve your customers to increase your profits. In the public sector, you have only to funnel money to the big government party’s candidates for office, and they’ll watch your back.

  6. steve on April 15, 2011 11:54 am
  7. Anonymous on April 15, 2011 12:21 pm

    @Matt, why should the cops and firefighters get treated better than the taxpayers who are paying their salaries, and who will retire destitute anyways?

  8. steve on April 15, 2011 12:35 pm

    This video is worthless piece of crap. I am not sure but I think the correct word to describe such vitriolic outburst is hyperbole.

    Point 1. The City was unincorporated and was saddled with prior decisions made by Fulton County. Bad roads, bad parks, poor vehicular transportation problems. etc. Money taken in the form of taxes but not repatriated.

    Point 2. Point valid question. However the company outsources everything. They are not a for profit corporation. You need to revisit this.

    Point 3. Cops and Firefighters are outside the discussion here. This question encourages a debate to distract from the overall concept.

    Point 4. Demographics, 100,000 People live here. It is affluent suburb. See the link I provided.

    Evidently they must be doing something right. The elected officials were reelected with extremely high numbers. They must have been doing something correct.

    Last parting shot. “This city is five years old, if this is still working in 30 years, that will be something. This is a very misleading statement. The city did not just spring up (no pun intended) out of nowhere, it had been around for a long time. Now it is the 6th largest city in the state. In 3o years myself and the founder of this website will most likely be dead. In the end we shall all be dead. But for now the system is definitely working.

    In the words of Lt. Col. Frank Slade ret. in Scent of a Woman “Okay?”

  9. Matt on April 15, 2011 3:50 pm

    Point 1. The City was unincorporated and was saddled with prior decisions made by Fulton County. Bad roads, bad parks, poor vehicular transportation problems. etc. Money taken in the form of taxes but not repatriated.
    SO THIS IS LIKE EXITING FROM CHAPTER 11 WITH NO DEBT? ANY COMPANIES EVER EXITED CHAPTER 11 SMELLING LIKE A ROSE ONLY TO END UP IN 22 DOWN THE ROAD?

    Point 2. Point valid question. However the company outsources everything. They are not a for profit corporation. You need to revisit this. NOT FOR PROFIT SOUNDS COMMUNIST, NOT CAPITALIST. WHY WOULD ANY SELF-RESPECTING CAPITALIST WORK FOR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT? I MEAN, HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE MOTIVATED?!?!?!

    Point 3. Cops and Firefighters are outside the discussion here. This question encourages a debate to distract from the overall concept. MY POINT ISN’T WHETHER THE COPS ARE HIRED BY THE CITY OR SOME THIRD PARTY IT IS THAT THE COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS ARE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN RETIREMENT PLANS. 401K’s/DEFINED CONTRIBUTION PLANS, ESPECIALLY FOR GROUPS THAT ARE WELL RESPECTED IN A COMMUNITY, HAVE MORAL HAZARD THAT WOULDN’T BE EXPOSED AFTER 5 YEARS.

    Point 4. Demographics, 100,000 People live here. It is affluent suburb. See the link I provided.
    I IMAGINE THAT A SMALL AFFLUENT SUBURB IS MUCH EASIER/CHEAPER TO RUN THAN A LARGE CITY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS.

    Evidently they must be doing something right. The elected officials were reelected with extremely high numbers. They must have been doing something correct.
    STROM THURMAN WAS REELECTED FOR LIKE 350 YEARS. BUSH WAS REELECTED. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. INCUMBENTS ARE REELECTED. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS. ALSO, THESE GUYS HAVEN’T BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING WRONG.

    Last parting shot. “This city is five years old, if this is still working in 30 years, that will be something. This is a very misleading statement. The city did not just spring up (no pun intended) out of nowhere, it had been around for a long time. Now it is the 6th largest city in the state. In 3o years myself and the founder of this website will most likely be dead. In the end we shall all be dead. But for now the system is definitely working.
    THE CITY DID SPRING UP. WHERE WERE ALL THESE SYSTEMS 5.5 YEARS AGO. THEY DIDN’T EXIST. WHETHER PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVED THERE OR NOT IS NOT A MEANINGFUL ARGUMENT.

    I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE WRONG OR THE RIGHT WAY TO RUN A CITY. I’M SAYING THAT EVEN IF A SAMPLE OF ONE WAS TO BE SIGNIFICANT, IT’S TOO EARLY TO TELL AND THERE CERTAINLY ISN’T ENOUGH INFO IN THAT VIDEO TO MAKE ANY REAL ASSERTIONS.

  10. steve on April 15, 2011 6:08 pm

    @ Matt. Strom Thurmond 350 years old? I did not know that he was this old.

    You seem to like to make grandiose statements.

    The voters do not always sit idly by and vote incumbents in. Did you miss the election of 2010. The largest shift in the Congress in 70 years. Don’t you think the people spoke in November?

    Perhaps rather than throw out these casual hyperbolic statements, would you care to come up with an alternative program that the public sector works more efficiently and profitably than the private sector?.

    While you are at it. Why are such states as California, Wisconsin, Ohio New York, New Jersey buried in massive debts.

    Care to explain how Fedex revolutionized the package delivery service amidst the prior monopolistic control of the U.S. Postal Service.

    Further,

    While you are at it. Explain why privately run prisons run more efficiently and profitably than public ones. See Corrections Corp of America.

  11. jeff watson on April 16, 2011 10:22 am

    Some comments on this post suggest the old falsehood and belief that “The government will always do what’s best for the people” and its corollaries is still alive and well among many citizens. I will attribute this to the fact that big government, the fed, and the flexions and others all have great PR departments while free markets, and true capitalists are very short in the PR department.